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Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.13 19:07:00 -
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That is all.
Thanks in advance. |
Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.13 19:22:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Content abounds in this thread.
I wish there were more to say that hasn't been hashed out many times already,
The proverbial ball is in CCP's court now.
They need to act. Too long have drones been a sideshow when it comes to weapons systems and with the latest change they have rendered them even more impotent.
Time for talk is over.
Fix the drones CCP. |
Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.13 20:47:00 -
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I fully expected some of the blow back Im receiving and that's cool. Forum warriors gonna forum warrior.
The U.I. needs work.
Insta locking drones needs to be addressed.
The progression of NPC ship type to drone engagement needs to work like its intended.
The way drones are managed (dronebay/cargo/bandwidth) etc needs to be revisted.
Other boats can run in and tank while bringing full DPS to bear. The micro management of drones when compared to other forms of DPS is not balanced comparatively. I in no way endorse afk ratting or missioning. I am all for changes that limit or remove this aspect but there needs to be a much more elegant solution that encompasses multiple aspects of drone usage to bring them in line.
Im not trying to complain and just voicing an opinion ion the hopes that CCP takes a look at the situation.
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Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.13 21:22:00 -
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Dyjal'Ryn wrote:Sariah Kion wrote:I fully expected some of the blow back Im receiving and that's cool. Forum warriors gonna forum warrior.
The U.I. needs work.
Insta locking drones needs to be addressed.
The progression of NPC ship type to drone engagement needs to work like its intended.
The way drones are managed (dronebay/cargo/bandwidth) etc needs to be revisted.
Other boats can run in and tank while bringing full DPS to bear. The micro management of drones when compared to other forms of DPS is not balanced comparatively. I in no way endorse afk ratting or missioning. I am all for changes that limit or remove this aspect but there needs to be a much more elegant solution that encompasses multiple aspects of drone usage to bring them in line.
Im not trying to complain and just voicing an opinion ion the hopes that CCP takes a look at the situation.
Then say that. If you come here and start whining about how Drones are broken because of the way the drone aggro AI was changed then yes, you are going to get responses that are exactly like what you have been getting, from myself included. The AI changes were fine. I agree that drones need to be updates, but your OP was about the AI, and so you got responses about that. If you want to talk about drones as a mechanic then I'm game, because that can be a fruitful area of discussion, and something that does need to improve, but if that is what you want to talk about then don't post about the 100% positive AI changes.
Thats fair.
I suppose my issue is with the changes to the AI without addressing other areas of drone gameplay. I understand the AI changes and dont really have a problem with them so long as they were accompanied by other changes to keep drones in line and balanced with other weapons systems. The problem is that they were not. The AI changes highlight other areas of much needed improvement or revamps and if CCP isnt going to bring that balance throughout the whole drone system then they need to address the AI until they are ready to bring drones in line.
Yes you can mission and rat without losing drones. I do it and that not what Im bringing up honestly. Its the lowering of overall DPS via microing of drones and what types of drones can be brought to bear when compared to how the AI changes have affected others DPS types that I have issues with in the short term. Im not sure drones are going to see a function wide overhaul in the near future so the short term solution is to address the AI function and how it relates to drones.
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Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2013.02.13 21:33:00 -
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Winchester Steele wrote:You know what's cool? If you actually pay attention and PLAY at the keyboard you will discover that drones are fine. I have lost a grand total of one hobgoblin since the AI change and I play drone boats almost exclusively. Real sorry that you moaners lost your afk income source though. 
Straw man
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Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2013.02.13 21:40:00 -
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Hammer Borne wrote:Sariah Kion wrote:Winchester Steele wrote:You know what's cool? If you actually pay attention and PLAY at the keyboard you will discover that drones are fine. I have lost a grand total of one hobgoblin since the AI change and I play drone boats almost exclusively. Real sorry that you moaners lost your afk income source though. Straw man When the little red bars start to turn red, your drones are being shot. It is not hard, if you are actually playing the game.
Hopefully CCP weeds through some of the trolling and white knighting like the above and takes a long look at the situation.
I am holding out hope that they can get something done for the summer. It would be nice to hear some feedback from them however. |
Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2013.02.13 21:42:00 -
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Winchester Steele wrote:Sariah Kion wrote:Winchester Steele wrote:You know what's cool? If you actually pay attention and PLAY at the keyboard you will discover that drones are fine. I have lost a grand total of one hobgoblin since the AI change and I play drone boats almost exclusively. Real sorry that you moaners lost your afk income source though. Straw man How so? Deductive reasoning. I run missions with drones all the time and have no issues at all. Whiners like you complain that it's broken. I must deduce that the ACTUAL problem is between the chair and keyboard. Since I prefer to believe that most people aren't pants on head stupid I can only conclude that you must be trying to play afk. Maybe I drew the wrong conclusion in this case?
Its a straw man.
There is some irony however in your attacks given you are having a hard time comprehending the discourse. |
Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2013.02.13 21:54:00 -
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Winchester Steele wrote:Sariah Kion wrote:Winchester Steele wrote:Sariah Kion wrote:Winchester Steele wrote:You know what's cool? If you actually pay attention and PLAY at the keyboard you will discover that drones are fine. I have lost a grand total of one hobgoblin since the AI change and I play drone boats almost exclusively. Real sorry that you moaners lost your afk income source though. Straw man How so? Deductive reasoning. I run missions with drones all the time and have no issues at all. Whiners like you complain that it's broken. I must deduce that the ACTUAL problem is between the chair and keyboard. Since I prefer to believe that most people aren't pants on head stupid I can only conclude that you must be trying to play afk. Maybe I drew the wrong conclusion in this case? Its a straw man. There is some irony however in your attacks given you are having a hard time comprehending the discourse. Re-read your useless OP and then come talk to me about ~discourse~.
I am not surprised you only read the cover of something. Sorry there were no pictures that could have drawn you into the discourse.
Fly safe. |
Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.13 22:03:00 -
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Winchester Steele wrote:Sariah Kion wrote:That is all.
Thanks in advance. Here. I quoted your contentless whiny shitpost for you. Where's the discourse? I mean other than the numerous people telling you that your wrong and this garbage thread should be locked for lack of content. HTH o7.
^^^Not very good at trolling.
Also, in a language you will understand: "U mad bro!?" |
Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2013.02.13 22:07:00 -
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Winchester Steele wrote:
Boy. Sounds like a RL threat there at the end.
HTFU |
Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2013.02.13 22:09:00 -
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Winchester Steele wrote:Sariah Kion wrote:Winchester Steele wrote:Sariah Kion wrote:That is all.
Thanks in advance. Here. I quoted your contentless whiny shitpost for you. Where's the discourse? I mean other than the numerous people telling you that your wrong and this garbage thread should be locked for lack of content. HTH o7. ^^^Not very good at trolling. Also, in a language you will understand: "U mad bro!?" You post the garbage in the OP and I'm trolling? That's rich. Try, I'm tired of moaning helpless carebears like yourself who are totally incapable of thinking for themselves and ***** to CCP about literally EVERYTHING. You are terrible at this game and you should feel absolutely awful for shitting up GD with your endless entitled whining. Peace out I am literally done with you.
The only pvp you engage in is on the forums.
Congrats.
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Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2013.02.13 22:16:00 -
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Winchester Steele wrote: Peace out I am literally done with you.
What happened?
A man of his word I see.
You are so mad its almost funny. Take a deep breath and try breathing through your nose for a change.
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Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2013.02.13 22:25:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:The need to use common sense tactics aside (like make sure the NPC's see you as a bigger threat than your drones, don't over extend, etc.) I'm not sure I can see how if as you claim NPC's don't act in a 100% predictiable manner... that this is in any way a bad thing.
About the most I can see is being totally embarrassed to admit I can't beat the NPC's unless they do the exact same thing every time.
No. Its more a fact that DPS is not balanced after the changes between drones and other weapon types. That is a function of how the Drones system works and how much more microing has to take place as well as the limiting of drone types in certain situations because of how the AI reacts.
I know some like to be "hard" and pretend like drone boat DPS hasnt dropped because of the changes but the reality is that is has. Thats not comparatively equal to other systems after the AI changes. A system overhaul would go a long way to bring drone boats, outside certain niche compositions, back into balance with other DPS types.
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